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Young Men and Fire By Norman Maclean Young Men and Fire On August a crew of fifteen of the United States Forest Service s elite airborne firefighters The Smoke Jumpers stepped into the sky above a remote forest fire in the Montana wilderness Two
  • Title: Young Men and Fire
  • Author: Norman Maclean
  • ISBN: 9780226500621
  • Page: 468
  • Format: Paperback
  • Young Men and Fire By Norman Maclean On August 5, 1949, a crew of fifteen of the United States Forest Service s elite airborne firefighters, The Smoke Jumpers, stepped into the sky above a remote forest fire in the Montana wilderness Two hours after their jump, all but three of these men were dead or mortally burned from a blowup an explosive, 2,000 degree firestorm 300 feet deep and 200 feet tall On August 5, 1949, a crew of fifteen of the United States Forest Service s elite airborne firefighters, The Smoke Jumpers, stepped into the sky above a remote forest fire in the Montana wilderness Two hours after their jump, all but three of these men were dead or mortally burned from a blowup an explosive, 2,000 degree firestorm 300 feet deep and 200 feet tall a deadly explosion of flame and wind rarely encountered and little understood at the time Only seconds ahead of the approaching firestorm, the foreman, R Wagner Dodge, throws himself into the ashes of an escape fire and survives as most of his confused men run, their last moments obscured by smoke The parents of the dead cry murder, charging that the foreman s fire killed their boys Exactly what happened in Mann Gulch that day has been obscured by years of grief and controversy Now a master storyteller finally gives the Mann Gulch fire its due as tragedy These first deaths among the Forest Service s elite firefighters prompted widespread examination of federal fire policy, of the field of fire science, and of the frailty of young men For Maclean, who witnessed the fire from the ground in August of 1949, and even then he knew he would one day become a part of its story It is a story of Montana, of the ways of wildfires, firefighters, and fire scientists, and especially of a crew, young and proud, who hadn t learned to count the odds and to sense they might
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    1. Norman Maclean

      Librarian Note There is than one author in the GoodReads database with this name See this thread for information.Born in Clarinda, Iowa, on December 23, 1902, Maclean was the son of Clara Davidson 1873 1952 and the Rev John Maclean 1862 1941 , a Scottish Presbyterian minister, who managed much of the education of the young Norman and his brother Paul 1906 1938 until 1913 The family relocated to Missoula, Montana in 1909 The following years were a considerable influence on and inspiration to his writings, appearing prominently in the short story The Woods, Books, and Truant Officers 1977 , and semi autobiographical novella A River Runs Through It 1976.Too young to enlist in the military during World War I, Maclean worked in logging camps and for the United States Forest Service in what is now the Bitterroot National Forest of northwestern Montana The novella USFS 1919 The Ranger, the Cook, and a Hole in the Sky and the story Black Ghost in Young Men and Fire 1992 are semi fictionalized accounts of these experiences.Maclean attended Dartmouth College, where he served as editor in chief of the humor magazine the Dartmouth Jack O Lantern the editor in chief to follow him was Theodor Geisel, better known as Dr Seuss He was also a member of the Sphinx senior society and Beta Theta Pi He received his Bachelor of Arts in 1924, and chose to remain in Hanover, New Hampshire, and serve as an instructor until 1926 a time he recalled in This Quarter I Am Taking McKeon A Few Remarks on the Art of Teaching He began graduate studies in English at the University of Chicago in 1928 Three years later he was hired as a professor at University of Chicago, where he received three Quantrell Awards for Excellence in Undergraduate Teaching On 24 September 1931 Maclean married Jessie Burns died 1968 , a red headed Scots Irish woman from Wolf Creek, Montana They later had two children a daughter Jean born in 1942 , now a lawyer and a son, John born in 1943 , now a journalist and author of Fire on the Mountain The True Story of the South Canyon Fire 1999 , and two other books, Fire Ashes 2003 and The Thirtymile Fire A Chronicle of Bravery and Betrayal 2007.In 1940, Maclean earned his doctorate from the University of Chicago where during World War II he declined a commission in Naval intelligence to serve as Dean of Students During the war he also served as Director of the Institute on Military Studies, and co authored Manual of Instruction in Military Maps and Aerial Photographs At the University of Chicago, Maclean taught Shakespeare and the Romantic poets, and he produced two scholarly articles, From Action to Image Theories of the Lyric in the Eighteenth Century and Episode, Scene, Speech, and Word The Madness of Lear The latter essay elaborates a theory of tragedy that Maclean would revisit in his later work the essay is available here From approximately 1959 to 1963, Maclean worked on a book about George Armstrong Custer and the Battle of the Little Big Horn that he never completed, but from which excerpts were recently published During his last decade on the Chicago faculty, Maclean held an endowed chair as William Rainey Harper Professor of English After his retirement in 1973, he began, as his children Jean and John had often encouraged him, to write down the stories he liked to tell His most acclaimed story, A River Runs Through It and Other Stories was published in 1976, the first work of original fiction published by the University of Chicago Press This title was nominated by a selection committee to receive the Pulitzer Prize in Letters in 1977, but the full committee ignored the nomination and did not award a Pulitzer in that category for the year A River Runs Through It was adapted into a motion picture directed by Robert Redford

    381 thoughts on “Young Men and Fire”

    1. Superficially, Young Men and Fire is the story of fifteen elite Smokejumpers who died in Mann Gulch, Montana, in 1949 The Smokejumpers were all young men, the best of the best in their chosen profession fighting forest fires Yet, in Mann Gulch, they d been overtaken by fire and died clawing at the steep grassy slopes Really, though, this is a book about dying, and the important lessons about life that death provides For it is death that gives life its value it is death, or rather, the knowledge [...]


    2. A powerful, emotional and compelling story, this book probably deserves better than the two stars I am giving it Frankly, I was not so engaged with it as I had hoped to be and found it quite a slog to get to the end The writing tends toward the poetical in many places which I appreciate while sticking to what facts Maclean was able to unearth in his 20 plus years of research on this forest fire tragedy that killed so many young men in a very few minutes The problem for me as a reader was not tha [...]


    3. I LOVE THIS BOOK I read it almost annually.My husband was a fire fighter for the Forest Service, but not a smokejumper, which is why we originally purchased the book However, I fell in love with this tale that covers a tragedy in almost classic epic style, combined with the mystery story of the science of how this event happened.


    4. What led me to search for this story was the song Cold Missouri Waters by James Keelaghan The lyrics follow My name is Dodge, but then you know thatIt s written on the chart there at the foot end of the bedThey think I m blind, I can t read itI ve read it every word, and every word it says is deathSo, Confession is that the reason that you cameGet it off my chest before I check out of the gameSince you mention it, well there s thirteen things I ll nameThirteen crosses high above the cold Missour [...]


    5. Young Men and Fire is the true story of the tragic Mann Gulch forest fire on Aug 5, 1949, and the 13 Forest Service Smoke Jumpers who perished These men were mostly young, some just teenagers who had experience parachuting and fighting forest fires The author Norman MacLean of A River Runs Through It , wrote this report , as an old man near the end of his life, partly because he had been a forester early in his life and knew what it is like to be fighting forest fires, and because he grieved for [...]


    6. Having grown up about 30 miles from Mann Gulch, in Helena, I think I m probably interested in the subject matter than most people However, I thought this book was still really interesting even without having been to the Missouri River at Mann Gulch During the school year, we would take field trips out to the Gates of the Mountains and take the tour boat, which turns around pretty much at Mann Gulch When Maclean describes the change in mountain cliffs to prairie, I can see it so vividly Besides [...]


    7. In Young Men and Fire, Norman Maclean s background as woodsman, scholar, and storyteller blends the perfect mix of wry pragmatism, scientific research, and compassionate narration Having read The Big Burn first provided a deeper understanding of the context in which N.M examines the Mann Gulch fire, the reach of its legacy, and the lives and deaths of the Smokejumpers sent to kill it in 1949 The last section of Young Men and Fire refers to convergence multiple times and this term accurately desc [...]


    8. I read this twice, once again after a period of years I had remembered it as something that changed the way I thought about fire To me now, I remember it as a sort of war memoir had that horrifying inevitability and those devastating consequences that are the stuff of war It explained the vocabulary and choreography of fire fighting in remote areas and told of blow overs and the terrifically searing heat, wind, and weather created in a firestorm I have an awe of those men and women willing to br [...]


    9. I think this is the first unabridged recording of Maclean s classic investigation of the tragic Mann Gulch fire in 1949 in Montana This summer I ve been reading novels of the West with a group of friends, and we had already discussed Maclean s A River Runs Through It At the same time I listened to this, I had just listened to Ivan Doig s English Creek, also set in Montana but earlier, and there s also a fire but not such a tragic one Maclean tries to make sense of the deaths of the trained firef [...]


    10. My summer book club s theme this year is Western male contemporary writers, and we just read A River Runs Through It It seemed time to read Young Men and Fire, also by Norman Maclean, whose writing style and sense of morality and meaning in life resonate with me Young Men and Fire was first published in the 1990 s At that time, I heard several commentaries on NPR about Maclean, this book and firefighting in general, and it has long been on my reading list The story of the Mann Gulch, Montana, fi [...]


    11. I actually read this book about 15 years ago, but it s stayed with me powerfully enough to earn its 5 stars retroactively The other night, looking for something else, I came across what I wrote about it at the time, so this is a retroactive review as well, but it still feels accurate to the experience I remember.Young Men and Fire is Norman Maclean s posthumous book about the 1949 Mann Gulch forest fire in Montana Sixteen young flame jumpers were dropped on what was supposed to be a routine job, [...]


    12. This book is than the account of the infamous 1949 Mann Gulch fire that took the lives of 13 U.S Forest Service smokejumpers and left 3 survivors, all young men, to provide clues but no answers as to how and why Norman Maclean has transformed the account into an accounting Maclean had been a firefighter in the same forests where the Mann Gulch disaster happened and spent years of his life tracking down people and documents involved in the Forest Service investigation and revisiting the scene of [...]


    13. My book is full of highlights and bookmarks of all the things I wanted to remember to try to add to my review Wonderful observations and passages, written so beautifully by Norman Maclean, that I got a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye reading them Were the tears for the words or the subject matter Both This story is not easy What happened was terrible It was unbelievable It had never happened before That was the beginning What happened There was a wildfire and and lots of young men died I [...]


    14. It is a great thing that this book has been given to the world, considering how much of his life and energy Norman Maclean devoted to it A shame, also, that he wasn t able to finish it himself I wonder how much additional polish and editing he would have done to make it a spectacular read In Young Men and Fire Maclean takes the reader to the disastrous Mann Gulch blowup and examines it through testimony of the survivors, all of the photographs and documents that exist, personal interviews and vi [...]


    15. Young Men and Fire recounts the Mann Gulch Fire, a forest fire fought in the 1940 s by one of the first teams of Smokejumpers to actually parachute to a fire The basic story has been laid out in the synopsis and its details have by now been told in various reviews What potential readers may not have learned, though, is what sets this book apart Why read it when the plot is already out of the bag For one thing, the fire itself forms such an antagonistic element of the story The author, Norman Mac [...]


    16. This is a thoughtful rumination on the terrible 1949 Mann Gulch fire in Montana that resulted in the deaths of 13 smoke jumpers It circles around and around on the event, which for me got and interesting and intense and vivid by the end I felt I understood the place and the people and their impossible choices It was written in the 1980s, and was a fascinating glimpse into the then cutting edge use of computers and science to better understand fire behavior It also made me interested in the tr [...]


    17. A book I really looked forward to reading, but was a little disappointed in the end The book is very well written, but is written a little bit too poetic for my liking and that is why I struggled through it at times It is also a bit repetitive and not enough is written about the Young Men on the crew and too much time in the book is spent on the authors research and the science of fire behavior.


    18. After years of meaning to get around to this book , I finally tracked down Norman Maclean s last book, Young Men and Fire, which I assumed was another series of short stories about strapping lads living in tents, playing cards, beating out the occasional fire, and dealing with the rattlesnakes and other critters they encountered along the way all recounted with Maclean s laconic wit and thoughtfulness, naturally.But this isn t that sort of book at all It is the true story of what had appeared to [...]


    19. Disappointing Expected some deep thoughts about manliness, dying young, tragedy, courage, etc But this was really just a procedural about how the author tried to figure out EXACTLY what happened when a dozen firefighters got caught by a fire The actual incident was very simple big fire blew up and caught most of them before they could escape All the painstaking detail to figure out exactly who was where and when every second was all meaningless to me This felt like it was written by an engineer, [...]


    20. Norman MacLean inadvertently gave me one of my formative views on writing I was in high school when A River Runs Through It came out I don t remember much about it, fly fishing not being my passion, but I remember a crusty newspaper editor saying to a young writer, Good Now half Good Now half.I carried that piece of wisdom around from that day on So it seems interestingly circular that Young Men and Fire is really two books, and if halved, either could stand alone.The first half is the story of [...]


    21. Published 22 years ago, Young Men Fire still crackles today Norman MacLean s account of the Mann Gulch fire, which claimed the lives of 13 firefighters in 1949, is a powerful piece of narrative journalism But MacLean warps the form fearlessly He practically instructs us how to react and think about the tragedy, yanking us up steep canyon walls to ponder the series of easily made mistakes in the tragedy, where young men died like squirrels The lightning sparked fire was a catastrophic collision o [...]


    22. What begins as an investigation into the Mann Gulch Fire its causes, costs, and emotional fallout becomes a meditation on time, memory, and the act of narration itself As he says, a storyteller, unlike a historian, must follow compassion wherever it leds him And in this book, Maclean uses the alchemy of narration to transform a disaster into a tragedy and, ultimately, into a sort of grace Whether he succeeds depends upon the reader.


    23. Nineteen young firefighters were burned to death over the weekend in Arizona, and this morning we smell smoke from forest fires 900 kilometers from Montreal near James Bay in Northern Quebec Both disquieting, an evidence again of the uneasy relation between fire and humans.Norman Maclean, William Rainey Harper Professor of English at the University of Chicago and author of one of the best novels ever about Montana and the West, was marked by another forest fire disaster In 1949 when Maclean was [...]


    24. While this kind of book is not normally my cup of tea, Young Men and Fire went down all right a spoon full of sugar, etc etc The book nonfiction is about sixteen smokejumpers who were killed in the Mann Gulch Fire in 1949 Maclean pieces the story together bit by bit, teasing at its threads from all different angles to try to figure out exactly what went wrong Maclean is a strong presence throughout the book in fact, I would say that the book is even about Maclean s obsession with the fire and h [...]


    25. A terribly tragic story, but not very well constructed The author does an excellent job in the first part of the book covering what was thought to have happened The terminology can be a little bit difficult to follow the firefighters will alternately travel up river, up hill and up gulch which are 3 distinct and somewhat opposing directions , although he goes do an excellent job of explaining firefighting terminology He looses me in the second part of the book where he decides to try and delve i [...]


    26. Maclean can really write Midway through, I knew that he was not just giving a moment to moment account of his search for information on the Mann Gulch fire, but rather guiding the reader through the information in the way that would infect his readers with his own obsession with this event He knew what he was doing There s so much pathos begging for context in this story but Maclean was very restrained with drawing conclusions or applying symbolism to soothe the reader When he breaks down and do [...]


    27. Norman Maclean, perhaps best known as the author of A River Runs Through It, began researching the famous Mann Gulch in Montana forest fire of 1949 late in his life, and worked on the project until the time of his death at age 88 in 1990 Thirteen young men, twelve of them Smokejumpers, died when this fire blew up and they couldn t outrun it The tragedy evidently haunted Maclean, himself a woodsman, and he returned again and again to the site, trying to understand what had happened, and why He ne [...]


    28. Norman Maclean s prose is a little overstated at times It can verge into melodrama and is VERY heavy on Catholic imagery That being said, I thought this was a wonderful book I read an article about the Man Gulch Fire that referenced Young Men and Fire I was so intrigued by the sudden tragedy and the concept of a rescue fire that I had to read about it The closest I ve ever been to a wildfire was seeing one in the distance as I drove along a Montana highway I can t even begin to imagine what it [...]


    29. The narrator has a slightly nasally voice so it took me a bit to get used to However the narrative is engrossing and I was soon lost in it As others have pointed out the attention to detail is quite good The fact that I began to apply my own skills to what was being revealed should speak to that Not only does it cover the original event, it reconstructs and reveal the subsequent events after it including the handling of it by the Forest Service and the Government Maclean also discusses the moral [...]


    30. My name is Dodge, but you know that It s written there on the footend of the bed That s the opening lines of the song Cold Missouri Waters which I first heard performed by Cry Cry Cry made up of Dar Williams, Richard Shindell, and Lucy Kaplansky Shindell s haunting take on this song backed with the heart wrenching harmonies by Williams and Kaplansky made me research the story behind the song The Mann Gulch fire was a tragedy, no doubt about it It haunted the survivors, particularly Dodge, for th [...]


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